tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post212883079388932016..comments2023-09-09T03:52:44.418-07:00Comments on Emerging Catholic: whoa. whoa. WHOA!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-36061279012883277012009-10-30T13:08:03.700-07:002009-10-30T13:08:03.700-07:00Thanks for clarifying. It was the TAC stuff I was ...Thanks for clarifying. It was the TAC stuff I was remembering from a few years back. <br /><br />Regardless, I'm one who likes the idea of adding rites within the church. I'm all for creation of local liturgies within the unity of a single body.Creation Calls Outhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04655234953495154658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-56886722891981751122009-10-30T13:03:56.336-07:002009-10-30T13:03:56.336-07:00I think everyone's still waiting to see the co...I think everyone's still waiting to see the content of the Apostolic Constitution since all we have to go on now is the press release stuff.<br /><br />As far as I understand though, the channel is intended for all Anglicans who wish to join the RCC, and the major difference between this and RCIA is the constitution will allow for Anglican clergy to convert along with an entire congregation all at once.<br /><br />Having said that, I think the main driver for this was a history of requests from the Traditional Anglican Communion, which is not an official congregation within the Anglican church.<br /><br />We'll just have to see how it all shakes out over the years.lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04844724534003766952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-982823384627014642009-10-30T12:40:50.923-07:002009-10-30T12:40:50.923-07:00I'm admitting in the asking that I haven't...I'm admitting in the asking that I haven't looked into this myself, beyond reading this post & comments... But, er.... ;)<br /><br />I remember a few years ago talks between Rome and one particular Anglican "denomination" (I know that's the right word, technically). Does this new announcement include the entirety of the Anglican Church or just one subset within?Creation Calls Outhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04655234953495154658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-31331532862151167412009-10-26T15:53:13.743-07:002009-10-26T15:53:13.743-07:00here's an article about a very prominent Angli...here's an article about a very prominent Anglican Bishop who is planning to take advantage of the opportunity.<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6424562/Senior-Anglican-bishop-reveals-he-is-ready-to-convert-to-Roman-Catholicism.htmllukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04844724534003766952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-37902192640610936972009-10-25T13:19:41.404-07:002009-10-25T13:19:41.404-07:00Matt: to add on Luke's note, there's been ...Matt: to add on Luke's note, there's been a great deal of clamor in the Anglican Church, especially as sects have been swinging more liberal and breaking off. A lot of the more conservative branches have been discussing desires to reunite with Rome, and even as a method of keeping their own tradition and not caving totally in. <br /><br />Anglicans value their history and traditions (lower case t) just as much as Catholics do, so I can totally understand a willingness for that preservation. <br /><br />Oh, and also, we like to assume everyone wants to join us. They just don't know it yet. :PSaint Facetioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141014240883439626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-62144837100659612802009-10-25T12:12:30.700-07:002009-10-25T12:12:30.700-07:00If C.S. Lewis were alice today, I think he'd h...If C.S. Lewis were alice today, I think he'd have long been catholic already! :)Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05527657294925014026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-82111011531553218442009-10-23T13:39:46.332-07:002009-10-23T13:39:46.332-07:00You're excused. ;)
Seriously though, the Vati...You're excused. ;)<br /><br />Seriously though, the Vatican did this exactly *because* there are a large number of Anglicans who want full communion with Rome. The announcement notes a congregation of 400,000 Anglicans who have been asking for this for years. This was an answer from Rome to those groups already asking for it, rather than a plea from Rome trying to entice or lure Anglicans.<br /><br />A growing number of Anglicans have wanted to join Rome, but also want to maintain their Anglican traditions. And why shouldn't they? The Anglicans have some of the best English-native liturgy in the world! And a tradition that can claim the like of C.S. Lewis and the current Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams.<br /><br />I'll actually speculate that if C.S. Lewis were living in today's Anglican church, he would be one of the ones joining this new Roman rite ... and many are even speculating that Archbishop Rowan Williams may do so!lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04844724534003766952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-33257791416404562882009-10-23T06:19:30.906-07:002009-10-23T06:19:30.906-07:00Please excuse my ignorance, but are we assuming th...Please excuse my ignorance, but are we assuming that Anglicans WANT to be a part of the Catholic church? If they wanted to be Catholic, wouldn't they have done so already? And that's true of anyone identifying themselves with a different denomination, sect or religion.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00530709066099596111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-29004810469518029802009-10-23T05:09:07.900-07:002009-10-23T05:09:07.900-07:00One thing I should have noted in my previous post:...One thing I should have noted in my previous post: this seems to be leading the way to having a full-fledged Anglican Rite within the Catholic Church, akin to the Melkite rite or any of the other Eastern rites within the Church.<br /><br />The thing is, to have an Anglican rite, you need Anglican bishops. To have Anglican bishops, you need Anglican priests, and to have Anglican priests, you need a way for them to join the Church while preserving their own unique traditions and perspectives, and this Apostolic Constitution, with its "personal ordinariate" seems to be leading the way to exactly that.<br /><br />The creation of an Anglican rite will be particularly interesting because it will be the first *Western* alternative to the Latin rite, and it will likely permit a married priesthood (though, as with tradition immemorial, it will not permit a married bishopric). It'll be interesting to see what happens when/if an Anglican rite becomes available to westerners.Jeremy Fincherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03753146170165050792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211616465018587403.post-55563906494447039242009-10-23T05:00:47.626-07:002009-10-23T05:00:47.626-07:00While, no doubt, Anglican clerics will continue to...While, no doubt, Anglican clerics will continue to minister as priests after becoming Catholic (that's something the Church takes great care to ensure), they will need to be ordained, since the Church teaches that Anglican orders (and thus all their order-dependent sacraments: Eucharist, confession, anointing, and obviously ordination) are invalid.<br /><br />There's some good information available at (or linked from) http://www.jimmyakin.org/2009/10/new-structures-announced-for-reception-of-anglicans-into-full-communion.html if you want to see a more in-depth assessment than the mainstream media typically provides.Jeremy Fincherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03753146170165050792noreply@blogger.com